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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 4:41 pm 
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:?: Since many venues are last on the list to reopen according to Federal guidelines, and Entertainment will be the last to be brought back, just when are you expecting to be doing a gig again? Since all have said they are going to follow all of the requirements to do a show safely, have you factored in the cost of the new gear you will need. Items such as wipes, cleaning solutions, mike covers, extra masks if needed, etc.etc.etc. Things won't be going back to normal anytime soon, we are in the era of the new abnormal. Are you going to make singers sing through a mask, are you going to wear a mask? How much extra time for setup between each song, if you are constantly cleaning your work area? Have any of you really thought this out? If your profit margins were already small they will even be smaller.


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:( I can see by the response nobody has really thought this through. Karaoke is a very emotional experience, just like when you nail a song. You are on such a high, then you have to come back to earth, but you just can't resist asking people what they thought. The best thing is not to say anything and wait to see if someone comes up to you, then you know for sure you nailed it.


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I am probably looking at around late June or July before the state starts to allow bars to open (Phase 3). Now whether they allow karaoke or entertainment will be a different story. Phase 4 (late July or Aug) will basically open everything back up provided we don't see a huge spike in cases.
Some of our tribal casinos are going against the state order and reopening next week and the next week. Several others are staying closed. Being the club I work is under tribal - it's possible I may be able to go back to work sooner than the rest but not expecting it.

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mine are already talking about next weekend.
it will be short, and we will be locked down again with a large spike.
then do it again, maybe people will follow the rules next time.

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:?: So some have thought about going back soon or in the near future. I'm more curious about the logistics involved in having a show that is safe, what would be cost be, who is going to pay for it, and how it is going to effect the bottom line of any KJ host? In other words is it going to be cost effective to host, in this new post pandemic country? After all you can't make a living, if you can't make a profit! That is the goal to get back to work, to do it safely, and to make a profit, right? Another question is how many of the old venues which once had karaoke are gong to resume, with their profit margins also hard hit?


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As you already know,, I am starting again this Friday. We will see how it goes and measure it's success or otherwise.


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The Lone Ranger wrote:
:( I can see by the response nobody has really thought this through. Karaoke is a very emotional experience, just like when you nail a song. You are on such a high, then you have to come back to earth, but you just can't resist asking people what they thought. The best thing is not to say anything and wait to see if someone comes up to you, then you know for sure you nailed it.


Umm,,, LR? Some of us actually do not sit around all day and night monitoring this board. Some of us have something called "lives" and "jobs". Yes, we have thought this through a lot and have been in contact with the bar as to what we will be needing to do to keep people as safe as humanly possible.


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Umm,,, LR? Some of us actually do not sit around all day and night monitoring this board. Some of us have something called "lives" and "jobs". Yes, we have thought this through a lot and have been in contact with the bar as to what we will be needing to do to keep people as safe as humanly possible.



:? I still have time to do what I need to. If you have thought this through then you feel you can make a profit? After all if the goal is to go back to work, to earn a living, your activity has to be cost effective, right? Otherwise this is all vanity and for show, if you or the venue can't turn a profit.


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Umm,,, LR? Some of us actually do not sit around all day and night monitoring this board. Some of us have something called "lives" and "jobs". Yes, we have thought this through a lot and have been in contact with the bar as to what we will be needing to do to keep people as safe as humanly possible.



:? I still have time to do what I need to. If you have thought this through then you feel you can make a profit? After all if the goal is to go back to work, to earn a living, your activity has to be cost effective, right? Otherwise this is all vanity and for show, if you or the venue can't turn a profit.


Nope, I am not doing it for vanity. I do it because it augments my income from my full time day job. Without the extra income from karaoke, I don't break even financially. The last 6 weeks have put me in a hole so I actually needed to get back to karaoke. I actually expect that they will be paying me my full fee for hosting. They opened up last Friday night and I was told that the customers miss me and are looking forward to having me return. Right now, I am waiting on the arrival (hopefully by Friday) of the new extra mic grills so I can sanitize and let them dry between changes. Every singer will get a sanitized mic. And I won't be providing my mic stands like I normally would,,, hand held only. The mics will be sanitized and placed in a sanitized holder for the singer to pick up. I actually will not be handing them directly to them, they will have to be trained in how to follow instructions. No more than 2 people on stage, and even those 2 will have to distance themselves from each other. I will be wiping down my booth frequently all night long where anybody might be touching it. And I will be using a dedicated mic for myself. No books or song slips. Either use the remote lookup on their cell phones or just ask if I have the song and I will put it on their que. Yes, I will be wearing a mask. And all night long, I will be making frequent announcements on the expectation of social distancing along with karaoke etiquette. It's not going to be like it was, but it's still going to be fun and will allow for the singers to get their fix.


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:? Just one question Mr.Scott how long can the venue stay open and pay you the full amount if they are reducing their seating capacity, isn't that going to cut into their profit margin? Unless of course they are going to have a cover charge for entertainment and raise the price of food and drink. Also both you and the venue will be spending more money keeping everything sanitary.


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:? Just one question Mr.Scott how long can the venue stay open and pay you the full amount if they are reducing their seating capacity, isn't that going to cut into their profit margin? Unless of course they are going to have a cover charge for entertainment and raise the price of foo and drink. Also both you and the venue will be spending more money keeping everything sanitary.


Well, honestly it's a small to medium size bar to start with and they rarely hit seating capacity before. The guidelines they have been given and the amount of people they will be allowed, we will be fine. The bar is family owned, although the owner has cancer and is going through treatments right now. That is one of the reasons we need to show her support by getting customers back so bills can be paid. Her daughters have stepped up and are running it for her (for free I might add, they just love their mom that much) If we only get 30 to 40 people in the bar, it will be profitable. And they are allowing up to 50 at this time, as long as they social distance (capacity is about 180). It was shown and proven to me by one of the daughters that if I am not there to host karaoke, and they do nothing on those nights, then sales drops by about 75%. So I am needed there, just to get it up to the point of making money for the bar. This bar has it's own set of issues and really should be updated, but the owner is truly loved by all and the locals really want to support her.


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Mr Scott, it sounds to me like you get the do all that you can to protect your singers and yourself. I wish you luck. The app has a note for the host where they can send requests for new songs to you without having to come up to you and ask for them. Just select a song that you have and add the new one in the remark section.

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The Lone Ranger wrote:
:?: So some have thought about going back soon or in the near future. I'm more curious about the logistics involved in having a show that is safe, what would be cost be, who is going to pay for it, and how it is going to effect the bottom line of any KJ host? In other words is it going to be cost effective to host, in this new post pandemic country? After all you can't make a living, if you can't make a profit! That is the goal to get back to work, to do it safely, and to make a profit, right? Another question is how many of the old venues which once had karaoke are gong to resume, with their profit margins also hard hit?

i use digital requests, from either a kiosk or smartphone, i sanitize mics between every singer so things will not change for me.

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I get the opportunity to do my second show tonight. I bought some mic covers to see if they are interested in using them. If they don't use them, I still will be sanitizing the mics after each singer. I will report how it all goes tonight. Last week was a bit quiet, but I ran into one of my regulars and he didn't know at the time we were back to business. He said he is going to come tonight. Let's see what happens.

One thing to know also is, Utah is going to "yellow" starting tomorrow, meaning we can have our crowds back. Does not effect tonight tho. We will see. I will give a report and assessment after tonight.


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:!: Good luck, let's hope it is a safe and sane gig for all.


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:!: Good luck, let's hope it is a safe and sane gig for all.


Thank you. I will do my part :D


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Well, again we proved it again tonight, without me there (or at least someone with entertainment), the place would be in serious trouble of not being able to pay the bills. Tonight, we hit our max allowed, but only 7 singers. All of which are regulars. But the entertainment factor kept them there until closing time. Without it, they would just come in, have one or two and leave. Some may not stay long enough for that even. I am happy to be able to be the one they can count on.

They seem to not mind how I am handling the microphone sanitizing requirements and follow the rules pretty good. Again tho, a younger crowd for the most part (some regulars are more mature) Social distancing isn't happening at all with the customers. I think they realize that in our area it's pretty much pointless, since we have no local outbreak.

As of today (Saturday May 16) restrictions are loosened once again for most of Utah, and they are allowing up to 50 in a crowd with proper cleaning and sanitizing. We will see how that affects next weeks show.


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:!: Thanks for the update, it seems everything is manageable at this point. Still you haven't had a full business night where you have a large crowd, but then again with a 50 person capacity you really can't go too big. Let us hope your area's infection rate stay down, there is still a long way to go before a vaccine. There is also the chance of the virus mutating and coming back stronger in the Fall and Winter months the traditional flu season. With 7 people in the rotation and yourself, people are getting the mic in there hand at least once every 30 minutes right?


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The Bars here reopened about a week ago
But Due to Covid-19 Concerns, No Karaoke
Until further notice.Whenever that may be!


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Warrenkel16 wrote:
The Bars here reopened about a week ago
But Due to Covid-19 Concerns, No Karaoke
Until further notice.Whenever that may be!



:? Unfortunately Karaoke hosting by it's very purpose runs counter to trying to control the pandemic. The principle role of the KJ is to gather a crowd. During this particular time a crowd is the last thing you want. Just like salad bars and buffets, for right now karaoke entertainment, even if done under strict guidelines, is too much of a risk for most patrons. Until at least there is better testing, contact tracing, and carrier isolation methods, there are certain areas of the economy consumers won't be supporting, and continue to social distance, at least that is what the majority is saying now. Of course all of this changes on almost a daily basis, based on new information and data about the virus being constantly processed.


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