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Excuse me, Mr/Miss K.E.
I frequent every type of karaoke situation from a dive bar to a private club to a very upscale corperate party, as well as i do play live in the very same. I do take my personal safety very seriously My corperate parties where alcohol is served have security at them.. Some have been armed. Some have been police officers. how would you like to arrive at a karaoke event where alcokol is served and be greeted by a police officer and have your ID checked and be wanded or searched?
All i'm trying to tell you is it happens you just got a taste of it, and it will happen again.. take a chill pill.. and the drama we don't need it..

I have seen karaoke clubs where people have been stabbed outside them just for singing someone elses' song... how petty.. and this place was very upscale..

point made.

Matt are you saying all citizens in the U.S.A. must carry identification. Boy talk about the land of the free. Thank God I'm in Canada where it is illegal for someone to ask for ID WITHOUT just cause. If your walking down the street and someone, cop or not ask you for ID, you can tell thenm what to do. BTW folks, yes if you go through a metal detector, given the operator actually knows how to use it, will not prevent you from getting seriously injured or killed in a club. There are a lot of weapons in a club, chairs, glass, bottles, eating utensils, etc. Detectors only give a false sense of security.

I blame it all on oxycontin and Rorer 714. just prayin, metalgod

From what I know of the law in the US, we are not required to carry identification. However, if we are required to identify ourselves if a police officer asks us our name. It is a crime to give false information to them.

Unfortunately, the 'Gun Culture' is blossoming over here, particularly in Liverpool & Manchester and I would be quite happy for metal detectors etc. to be put in place!

It's a sad state of affairs but we have to live with it.

Sooner safe than sorry!

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Often I find it amusing the variety of goofy laws around the world.

I hear that in the UK you must buy a license for each TV set.
I'm not sure that would fly here in the US.

Tim, does Canada still have issues with Direct TV?

Ms K.E., I seldom carry my guns to a karaoke club.
(Only in Washington state.)

Just sayin'

Jerry

No, JD. They tried that one but there was such a backlash and it was impossible to police so they dropped it!

We do still have some strange ones, though.

This is true:

It is legal to shoot any Welshman found within the walls of Chester between Midnight and 6am but only with a bow & arrow!

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WA liquor laws require ALL bars to ask for ID. If you don't have it, you don't get in regardless of age. The clubs I work will card you if your 21 or 71, it doesn't matter. It's nothing against anyone, it's the law!
As far as Maggie O Tools goes, it is actually a pretty fun place - I use to go there, they take extra security measures for their customers safety the neighborhood isn't bad but there have been problems in that area. Could happen ANYWHERE, you should feel comforted by it - not offended.

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Matt had stated that all citizens of the U.S. had to carry ID and produce it on demand. What I said if that is true, then American Freedom is being eroded. Here in Canada no one, including police can ask you to identify yourself or show ID WITHOUT just cause. I have a problem with asking someone who is obvious over the legal age to produce ID at a bar. Here there is a policy that if you look under 25 you will be asked for ID. There is absolutely no reason to ask someone 30 or above to show ID to get into a bar. It is just another an invasion of privacy. Tell me folks, give me one reason why your mother or father should show ID to go into a bar. BTW a terrorist or criminal will carry false ID.

ID to get into a bar is simply to try and prevent underage people from drinking. The reason that some places have a blanket policy that everyone must show ID is so that they don't have to worry about whether this person or that should be carded because of how old they look. That way they can be sure no one slips through the cracks and risks them losing their liquor license.

Also if the liquor control board came into the bar & found someone without their valid ID, the bar would be fined & possible shut down! So again, regardless of age, it is a law!

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Yes you are required by law to carry ID with you at all times. You cannot operate a motorized vehicle without one. you cannot buy liquor or any controlled substance (cigarettes, or even in some cases prescription medicine) without one.

IF a policeman is acting on suspicion of something, they can ask for your ID. It's a fine if you cannot produce one, for you cannot really identify yourself without a state id, or federal one.

Tim, it's about acting reponsibly as a citizen of the u.s.. I don't know anything about Candian law, so I won't debate you on that. I only know what it's like here in twelve of the states here in America.

I won't even address the "classier" comment. I tried to be nice and explain it civilly. I know Jerry jumped you, but that's no reason to take that attitude with me.

I've been to Lonman's show in Tacoma, and it's terrific. And yes, I was carded! It's NOT just for age verification anymore. Although that IS the majority of the reason.

Hey, it's silly, but it's what's expected of us.

Lon....
same deal in Arizona.. every employee gets fined.. including perminant entertainment.. contractors won't unless they violate the law themselves.

Very few know that one.. I have worked in that state off and on for 12 years.. I have worked in 2 clubs that have been shut down, many years ago. and now prefer to know the law before I contract in those states I work in.

Boy since 9/11 things have gotten very, I'm not sure how to say it without making people angry, dictatorlike in the US. It looks like a hell of a lot of government control, almost like in most dictatorships where you always heard "hand your papers over". Yes there are certain things you need ID for but it is asinine to ask middle aged or eldery people for IDs in a bar. I believe we fought two world wars to keep our freedom. And don't forget guys I'm a retired Military Policeman.

Uh, 9/11 had nothing to do with it, this has been a law at least in our state ever since I can remember. It's to help deter underage drinking & false ID's.

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Timberlea,
Minors using alcohol illigially accounted for 21% of the police calls in 1996. and I don't know what the current figures are since they have been stepped up to a 100% check in that state, and in most venues when being served or entering a establishment. but i know it's significantly lower and the penalties are much lower. Also all entertainment since 1993 are not allowed to have alcohol on stage or in thier work area. Meaning the venue while on duty. or while the doors are unlocked, and can be tested at anytime before or during a shift, by a state investigater.

unlike a few states like North Dakota "perminant house entertainment" are not required to hold "Servers" licencises or permits. but some places that have gaming like tribal casinos do require gaming licenses or permits to work there. but that's another topic. but it shows liability.

Again how does carding mom or grandma going to deter a young person. It does not make sense. If a law is going to be good, it must make sense. But then again we all know that the law is an (@$%&#!). Afterall look who we elect.

Tim,
my 55 year-young mother gets carded at at a restraunt for a glass of wine and it's a compliment.. you fail to realize that DUI incidents cost the families of many alot of problems.. i guess you have never expierenced it first hand..

i hope you never have to.. I never have but know many people's pain.

oh man the ignorance on this board!!!

It's not a matter of carding "grandma", it's a matter of checking for valid ID!!!! If someone doesn't have a valid ID -AGAIN, regardless of age, you don't get in the bar due to our liquor control laws. LET IT GO, IT'S THE (@$%&#!) LAW HERE, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS!!!

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